Posts by Happy Guy :)

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3 hour tour - my sd interrogation.

by wordlywife in

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my poor step-daughter went through what is called a jc meeting, 3 hours worth.

they have given her a week to decide before they df her.

she is only 18. gads.

Happy Guy :)

My husband senses how much I stiffen when he tells me how he will have to treat her if this goes through

Remarkable how a parent can turn their back on a child over religious differences.

Even more remarkable that he somehow must wait on 3 non-members (men) of his family to dictate his continued emotional support for his daughter almost as though he is not capable of forming his own opinion regardless.

Your house in in turmoil and I feel sorry for you and your step daughter. I feel sorrow for the others.

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watchtowerfarm.org????

by TowerWatch in

i am sorry i do not post on this forum often but i need your help!

i just had someone register on my forum and they claim they are assigned to the watchtower farm.

they gave this web site address:.

Happy Guy :)

Something very freaky just happened with this thread. When it was coming up it caused my MS Word to automatically launch and display a Word document with a preview of the book.

Same thing happened to me Else.

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Trouble explaining my life story to my boyfriend of almost 2 years

by findingmyway in

well, the time has come to explain my former jw life to my boyfriend of almost 2 years.

he's getting a bit tired of being there for me during my meltdowns and not knowing or fully understanding why i am having a meltdown.

i can no longer explain it as pms...he knows me too well now.

Happy Guy :)

Perhaps you are not seeing the difference:

If you can't trust your parents and if they will turn their backs on you, then what makes anyone else any different.

Well anyone else who is a brainwashed member of a cult or anyone else who is not?

All he wants is complete openness and honesty, but I struggle with that. Any thoughts?

If all he wants is complete openess and honesty you should be happy. The JWs expect that and also obedience, blind faith and complete submission.

On the subject of not disclosing to him for 2 years maybe you ought to consider doing it in a setting which includes a licensed relationship counselor.

On the issue of his emotional reaction, he does not only have 2 courses of action i.e. anger at your family versus agreement with your family. He has another alternative and that is sympathy for your family that they are so brainwashed they just don't understand the meaning of family. In order for him to find that alternative he will need an understanding of the dynamics at play. Perhaps you could educate him through books on cults or even have him talk to people here at JWD.

Good luck.

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WT Article on Mennonites - Wow... Double Standards

by indoubt in

i usually don't read wt or awakes, but i stumbled on an article that shows the borg's two-facedness.. the article talks about a group of mennonites that had doubts about their religion and wanted to study with the jws.

after the first paragraph, i realized that i had felt exactly like those poor mennonites when i decided to study the jw's history.

let me explain... i have scanned some parts of the articles: .

Happy Guy :)

Well this article certainly does paint a crystal clear picture that they are, without any room for doubt, Hypocrites. I don't think anyone here is going to be surprised. Chalk it up to one more example.

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What are you in 3 words...........

by ScoobySnax in

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don't be bashful........ ok i'll start....... kind, worried, thoughtful.. your go.......

Happy Guy :)

These are the 3 things I try so very hard to be and all the time:

Kind; Forgiving; Humble

Unfortunately these are things I am not which is why I have to apply effort constantly 24/7

The qualities which are relatively effortless for me and are more likely my natural qualities are:

Thoughtful (most of the time); Sharing (most of the time); Selfish (some of the time)

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It's Saturday night....what's everyone doing?

by burnieschick in

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it's so quiet here tonight!!

where is everyone?

Happy Guy :)

I jst got back from 15 awesome hours. It was the Caribana parade in Toronto today. One million participants and it was great. One million people dancing, celebrating, eating, jammin'.

The weather was perfect and we met people from all over Canada, U.S. and the Carribean. We even got an invite to stay at someone's house in the Carribean for a winter vacation in January. What an awesome party it was the best Caribana yet and the mood was so amazing this year.

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Jehovah's Witnesses as "a people......"

by ScoobySnax in

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who out of all you nasty old apostates (tm) will agree with me, that if you take the gb that you dislike so much, and the watchtower that you hate out of the picture, will agree with me that at the end of the day, and on the whole, jw's really are a good bunch of people.

i did my same old rekky last sunday at the gillingham convention, and will have a good look around next sunday at twickenham convention.

i've been in lots of crowds, at stadiums and arenas, but an assembly is something else, it is somehow unique, its somehow different from any other crowds, there is a deep sense of "togetherness" i've not see any where else.

Happy Guy :)

I am not one of those nasty old aspostates as I have never been a JW myself but I certainly have known enough JWs and I agree with you Scooby to an extent.

If I understand you correctly, and it's quite possible I don't so please feel free to clarify, you are suggesting that if some of the negative influences of certain Governing Body members and the Watchtower Organization were to no longer be a factor in the lives of JWs what we would have is a wonderful bunch of people.

I certainly agree that there are some JWs who are wonderful regardless. I also agree that some of the less wonderful JWs would be more wonderful if it were not for some of the negative behaviors promoted by the Watchtower (i.e. shunning, theocratic warfare, bigotry towards non JWs). I do however think that there will always be certain JWs who are not nice and unfortunately some of these are in authority positions.

On the subject of smiling faces etc. at the assembly: I have been to a Kingdom Hall and seen those smiling faces and warm attitudes. I have also seen some JWs act completely different outside the group. Much the same as when I went to church as a child and would see wonderful Catholics in their Sunday best (both in clothing and attitude) only to be not so wonderful on the following Monday away from the church group. I have attended a couple of other denominations places of worship/gathering and people seem to all put on that special charm for the gathering.

The reality is that most JWs are bigots and are taught to be so. I don't find that a warm quality. I do agree that if there was no central authority figure(s) dicatating that they be this way then many (if not most) JWs would be fine people - in my opinion.

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help my mother is brainwashing my 10 yr old

by squirlyboo in

ughhhhh, i left "the truth" when i was 16 i had my daughter when i was 18. while is was finishing college my mother watched my daughter for me , so they are very very close.

well whenever my daughter goes to visit usualy about a week at a time my mother takes her to the hall .

she fills her head with the doctrine and tells her that ill say bad things about it and scares her into not telling me about it .

Happy Guy :)

Having been through this with my children, I agree with the approach of educating your daughter about the cult-like nature of the JWs.

A 10 year old child is old enough to understand the concept of what sounds right and common sense and what does not. They understand what kindness is and what is mean-spirited. There are many things about the JWs that would sound mean spirited to a child like: shunning, depriving the necessities of life through transfusions, teaching that 99 percent of the people in the world are hated by their Jehovah God and will be destroyed mercilessly.....you would be surprised just how your child sees right through the garbage which the Watchtower teaches. It's interesting because a child could readily read and accept information here or at silentlambs.org or at the quotes site (hate literature written by the Watchtower about Jews etc) and not want to be connected with the Watchtower or JW beliefs yet it is the adults who are likely to put blinders on. This is because the adult has either invested years or has an agenda (i.e uses the beliefs to justify certain behaviors) but children do not have this baggage. Save her now before she spends time acquiring the baggage/excuses.

You may be afraid of any exposure but look at it this way. Move forward 5 years when your daughter starts to rebel against Mom. The Grandmother will be waitng in the wings to capitalize on this and say your Mom is mean as she kicked me out of your life when you were ten. She will shower her with gifts at a vulnerable time. On the other hand if you educate your daughter now with information here, at silentlambs and at quotes she will reject her Grandmothers beliefs on her own. The Grandmother will likely disengage your daughter on her own and will not be able to blame you for it.

Also be aware that by blaming your husband, the Grandmother is subtly trying to alienate your husband and her father i.e cast him in a bad light. Why would she want to put down your husband and her Dad like that?

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do JWs believe in dinosaurs?

by tsunami_rid3r in

the bible doesnt mention them at all.

so what the hell?

Happy Guy :)

Hibiscusfire I am curious about some of your comments:

Noah carried some baby dinosaurs on the ark along with all the other animals

I don't recall mention of Noah taking "baby" creatures on the ark (please feel free to refresh my memory of the biblical passage) so how do you know this to be true?

After the flood, the climate changed and the large ones, which depended on lush, swamp-like environment, could not survive.

How do you know the climate changed after the flood which illiminated "lush, swamp-like environments" around the globe. And if they were illiminated around the globe then at what point in time did these environments return since they are abundant globally in tropical zones?

Smaller ones became more scarce as man populated the earth

Since many small creatures have survived as man populated the earth why did the smaller ones (dinosaurs) not?

Today, they are like the grizzly bear, only a few are alive in remote wildernesses far from civilization.

If what have said is true, that they are like the Grizzly bear today, then why do I not see them when I am visiting the garbage dump in Alberta, Canada? Grizzly bears are not far from civilization, as you claim, rather they can be viewed along side civilization in the U.S. and Canadian west. Even where I live (in Central Canada) we have recently had the very shy and timid Black bear venturing into the Greater Toronto area (population 5 million) in the last two months. We have not had to call the local Animal control for the dinosaurs (yet).

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From the Knocking.org website

by jschwehm in

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hi gang:.

maybe your comments are getting to them.

this was on their website under relevancy:.

Happy Guy :)

Jehovah's Witnesses do not try to influence the political process by legislating their beliefs, imposing them on their non-Witness neighbors

Jehovah's Witnesses are staunchly apolitical and have no connection to what is commonly known as the "religious right." Jehovah's Witnesses would not protest an abortion clinic or lobby against the legalization of gay marriage. They are moral conservatives who refuse to fight in the Culture War."

I find this statement also misleading as it gives an impression that JWs are less fundamentalist than other Christian groups. In reality they fight the "Culture War" every day.

There are 1 million JWs (supposedly) in the U.S. If on any given month only one quarter of them did field service and could attempt to speak to 10 people about their beliefs, that is 1 percent of the U.S. population. If they repeat this monthly then they reach 12 percent of the U.S. poulation in a year. That doesn't include magazines deliberately left behind at the doctor/dentist/optomatrist/unemployment office.

The whole idea of their sect specific "Theocratic Warfare Strategy", is that not fighting a "Culture War" ?

The whole notion of shunning is precisely a "Culture War" which they are the one's who initiate through calling the Judicial commitee and excomunicating the individual to remove them from contact with the flock. Anyone who merely rigorously questions their culture is subject to removal and shunning.

More importantly it completely leaves out why JWs do not get involved in politics: Because they believe that Satan controls the wordly Governments and that the United Nations is the famous "beast" as referred to in Revelation. I wonder: If the maker of this documentary qualified his statement rather than leaving it open to misinterpretation the way he has (that JWs are seemingly less less fanatical than other Christian right wing groups because of their non involvement in politics) would that make the JWs seem as fundamentalist/fanatical or even more fundamentalist/fanatical.

For a guy whose mother is a JW he sure does seem ignorant of their beliefs. I wonder where the "Public funds" are coming from? Brooklyn perhaps? This may seem harsh but given the last thread we had on this and some of his comments that he wrote in his email he seems to have an agenda and a full, complete and honest expose did not seem to be it. I think it's great that he wants to portray JWs as people to not just "cartoon like" but does he have to be misleading to do so? In being misleading he completely insults what many of you nice JWDers have been through....in my opinion.